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Guest (2): That is exactly the same thing...

Prabhupāda: No, not exactly the same thing. That is the conference—I want to convince you that London is the real …

Guest (2): But maybe I think that I know...

Prabhupāda: You may think, but you'll have to be convinced that your thinking is wrong.

Guest (2): Or maybe I can convince you that your thinking is wrong.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. Therefore conference required. [laughter] Therefore conference required.

Guest (3): Swāmījī, the time is running out; however, and I would like to thank you very much for the..., …

Prabhupāda: Now you are convinced that conference is required. You have to convince me; I'll have to convince you.

Guest (3): And I think that it is through those confrontations and through those listenings to each other... [break] [indistinct] …

Guest (1): If you go to London, I want to go to India, and then we shall be separated. So …

Prabhupāda: Therefore I say that first of all we have to decide where to go. If anyone is satisfied that …

Guest (1): But that is the question. Where should we go? If you believe that you must go to London, …

Prabhupāda: No. As you are convinced that going to India is good for you, similarly, you may change your conviction …

Guest (1): Yes. But so may you also change your conviction.

Prabhupāda: I may... Yes, if you can convince me. Therefore conference...

Guest (1): If you believe that you cannot be convinced...

Prabhupāda: No. I believe you can convince me. If we are reasonable...

Guest (1): But then you are searching.

Prabhupāda: Yes. No. My searching is complete. I want...

Guest (1): But then I cannot convince you of anything.