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Pradyumna: Nama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya...

Prabhupāda: Hmm. You have to speak. Try to speak.

Pradyumna: This is a continuation of the previous verse. It said that,

śrotavyādīni rājendra nṛṇāṁ santi sahasraśaḥ apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām

[SB 2.1.2]

That there are thousands of...., hundreds of thousands of subject matters for hearing among those who are not aware of …

Prabhupāda: I have a question now. You are maintaining your institution by the grace of the householders. You are begging. …

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Isn't it the original Vedic process that the householders would willfully give their charity to the brāhmaṇas?

Prabhupāda: So therefore, for charity householder required. You cannot condemn householders.

Akṣayānanda: We do not condemn the householders, though. All of Lord Caitanya's..., many of His followers were householders, and He …

Prabhupāda: My point is that śrotavyādīni rājendra nṛṇāṁ santi sahasraśaḥ, apaśyatām ātma-tattvam [SB 2.1.2]. Householder is not bad. That is …

So "I am not this body," that is the whole scheme of Vedic knowledge. Apaśya... This is the important point, …

These rascals, they cannot see. Apaśyatām ātma-tattvam. That is the defect. Nobody thinks that, that "I was embarrassed from the …

So therefore the Māyāvādīs, they think that "Make me zero, void. Then there will be no pains and pleasure, no …

Therefore it is the duty of every human being---animals cannot do---to understand about the ātma-tattvam. Ātma-tattvam, necessity of the soul. …

So whole world is missing the point that he is not this body, the body is the encagement, and we …

Devotee: Cages.

Prabhupāda: Ah, cages. So either you are put in the golden cage or iron cage or wooden cage or any …

So Māyāvādī's position is like that. Māyāvādī, they have got a... Because we are sure that we are going to …

So therefore you have to go back to home, back to Kṛṣṇa, where there is everything variety, spiritual varieties. You …