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Harikeśa: Well, in the beginning only it was an accident.

Harikeśa: It's an accident where the seed falls.

Harikeśa: Well, it may not be an accident, but it proves how we're becoming superior to the nature.

Just like Haridāsa Ṭhākura was doing. He was not forced to do.

Harikeśa: Is that why Ajāmila had to go to Hṛṣīkeśa and perform devotional service?

Harikeśa: Ajamila, after he chanted "Nārāyaṇa," they let him stay in that body, and then he went to Hṛṣīkeśa

Harikeśa: So if a devotee dies and remembers Kṛṣṇa, although he is not perfect...