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Hari-śauri: But if the material elements are there and they're...

Hari-śauri: But that's their argument, that the process is just happening by itself; there's no father

Harikeśa: Well, it's better to take that check than no check.

Hari-śauri: They get a bit confused because God has to...

Hari-śauri: But sometimes things happen people don't want to happen.

Hari-śauri: Is there any limit to the number of chances that he has?

Hari-śauri: [devotees discuss which verse] Oh, I know which one it is.

Hari-śauri:

Hari-śauri: Iti te jñānam ākhyātam.

Hari-śauri: Guhyād guhyataraṁ mayā.

Hari-śauri: Vimṛśyaitad.

Hari-śauri: You say here in the purport, "Before surrendering, one is free to deliberate on this subject

Janame janame sabe pitā mātā pāya, kṛṣṇa guru nāhi mile bhaja hari ei.

Hari-śauri: You were saying that if one is intelligent he can just accept the father's instruction, and

Harikeśa: Why is that?

Hari-śauri: Things just combine by chance and develop.

Harikeśa: Sāṅkhya? Atheistic Sāṅkhya.

Harikeśa: Asatyam apratiṣṭhaṁ te.

Harikeśa:

Harikeśa: It comes from a certain combination of material ingredients.